Recently, a friend of mine called me, she was crying but because I was heavily intoxicated (no thanks to my grandmother) I couldn’t really understand what she was saying between sobs. First thing on Sunday morning, I called her back and she told me she was pregnant and isn’t having it and I support her decision because if I were in her shoes, I won’t have it either.

We got talking about what the next step would be for her and we ended up lamenting on why abortions are illegal in Nigeria. First off, I think it’ll be easier on the supersensitive people of the world if an alternate terminology for abortion is coined.

Hi, my name is S and I think it’s about time that the Nigerian government alter the criminal status that is attached to abortions.

According to the Nigerian Criminal Code Act of 1990: A woman who seeks an abortion can face up to 7 years imprisonment, basically, it’s illegal for a woman to have an abortion. The only time it’s acceptable is when the mother’s health is at grave risk. This is the only jurisdiction that has to be met before a woman can obtain a safe and legal abortion in Nigeria and I find it ridiculous.

Over the years, induced abortion has been a subject of debate, controversy and even government discussion and it will continue to be so long as woman are ‘forced’ to have children they do not want. I for one cannot and will never judge a woman because she decides she doesn’t want to have a baby, not wanting to carry a pregnancy to full term doesn’t make her a bad person as opposed to popular belief. If a woman decides she doesn’t want to have a child, in all honesty, it’s her decision. Whatever her reasons for not having the child may be, it’s her decision and no one else’s because a pregnant woman has to endure 9-months of growing a human inside her, no one else ‘suffers/endures’ it with her.

A lot of Nigerians have various reasons for frowning against abortions, cultural and of course religion but I am of the strong belief that it should be based on what the pregnant woman thinks is best for her, not what the government says. The government for one, doesn’t seem to give a shit about the lives, safety and well-being of Nigerian women so why should they dictate if they can keep pregnancies or not. Is the government going to donate to the financial provisions needed to raise a child? The Nigerian government won’t even allow you have an abortion if you were raped and got pregnant except your life is at risk! That’s a load of bullocks really.

The country is already dealing with population issues and abortion is still a crime, forcing women to have children they don’t want. Why does the government have a say in what women do with their bodies? Concern is placed on two consenting same-sex adults who choose to be in a relationship when issues like women’s reproductive health should be the focus. Why do I believe that if men were somehow biologically capable of having children, the rules would be different?

Due to the fact that abortion is labelled as an ‘unnecessary felony’, several Nigerian women in hundreds of thousands are forced to seek terminations of pregnancies from risky quack doctors who usually operate in clandestine, unsanitary and unsafe conditions because according to the Nigerian constitution, anyone who helps a woman get an abortion can face up to three years in prison.

Abortions are very rampant and yet the government refuses to have a valid rethink on the issue. Abortions need to be decriminalized in Nigeria so that the medical procedure; which is said to be in fact safer than actual child birth can take place in well-managed hospitals and clinics around the country. It needs to be decriminalized just so that it’s an open option when a woman is deciding what to do with her pregnancy.

To wrap this up, I don’t get why some men have such strong opinions about abortion, I really don’t think men have a say in it. Yes it’s his sperm that fertilized the woman’s eggs but his contribution to the pregnancy pretty much ends at fertilization, from then on, the woman contributes to everything else; the life and health of the child. Even in child birth, men are not involved in the birth process itself. So I don’t see why men should think they have the right to dictate what a pregnant woman can or cannot do.

As we speak, my friend has no intention of telling her boyfriend, I don’t think he needs to know either. He is scheduled to take her on a trip at the end of the month for her birthday. While she’s there, she will figure out a way to not have a baby she doesn’t want and finally get that birth control implant I’ve been suggesting to her for months now.

Share your thoughts on this topic in the comment section below.

Responses

  1. Olushola
    I have no problems with abortion, in fact I think rather than make abortion illegal, having sex without birth control when you’re not ready to have children should be made tantamount to treason.
    Not judging but I’ll flog your friend first before making any plans.
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    1. Toy
      I wish I could like this multiple times!!!! And shout it from the roof! There needs to be more education and availability to birth control. And of course without the stigma.
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      1. S Post author
        Both true, enlighten more Nigerians about the importance of birth control…. the eradication of the stigma part on the other hand will take some time as you know Nigerians love to attach ‘stigma’ to just about anything.
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    2. S Post author
      I am with you Olushola, perhaps flogging would be an adequate response but i’m not one to knee a friend when she is down….
      As much as I see where you are coming from with this issue of unprotected sex, making it treason seems a bit far….. it’s really not the government’s business what its citizens decide to do with their bodies so long as its not a threat to national security.
      Ultimately, we are on the same page about the importance of birth control for those who are sexually active.
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  2. Professor High
    HMMMM……First!!

    Strong Opinions here, I support the Cause to decriminalize abortions, but tbh, it’s as good as fishing in a swimming pool knowing there are no fishes there but then believing the fishes would hear your cry for fish and somehow make way to the swimming pool! The government/ legislation is more focused on #CommonSense than this…..I’d hope they somehow hear your cries, but it saddens me to know that this might not be in a while to come!! Maybe when they finally fix our energy problems and the many other problems then we can talk about abortions and maybe even Global warming!

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  3. Kelechi Ochulo
    I think abortion is wrong, I feel we have no right to take any life. And I think this way because I’m a Christian.

    I understand also, that not everyone shares my opinion. Not everyone believes as I do. And I don’t feel it is right to have people bound by religion especially ome they do not practice. So I agree that it should be decriminalized.

    The government should let people deal with their conscience and their maker by themselves. As you’ve pointed out, it would also be safer and cheaper that way.

    I also feel it is time the Nigerian government separated religion and governance. We are no longer a country of just Muslims, Christians and traditionalists.

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  4. A Loco Viva Voce
    Rather than decriminalize abortions, why don’t Nigerians focus on eradicating the discrimination and prejudice that comes with the use of birth control. As a young lady, when you walk into a supermarket to buy condoms, the entire store starts to look at you as a prostitute. There has been a case where the attendant started preaching to the lady to give her life to Christ and stop having sex. Even in hospitals, when you go to get birth control pills or injections, the nurses and doctors can refuse to attend to you if you are a single girl without a husband. So if the case is that bad for single girls trying to avoid getting pregnant, how can we not expect them to abort the baby after they eventually get pregnant?
    In my opinion, people need to learn to be more accepting and open minded about sex so they can encourage our young girls to protect themselves and not see it as a horrifying abominable act that only “prostitutes” indulge in.

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  5. Snow
    I can help but agree with what S said, the bulk of it depends on the environment in which it is deemed criminal to carry out the abortion, and with our country in the state it is, i honestly feel there should be some form of soft stance on the whole abortion. Although, some side of the argument doesn’t allow me to support full decriminalization of abortion, okay, thinking about it now, i think the problem lies with the lack of knowledge and education involved.

    But I do not agree with this paragraph, “To wrap this up, I don’t get why some men have such strong opinions about abortion, ……………………”‘ So while men shouldn’t dictate, I can’t see a reason why a man can’t have a say or offer advice on something like this. Even the “sperm factor”, that you just underrated, you think sperm is something they can pick on the floor or fetch from a tap?

    This “abortion” issue is suddenly looking like a much bigger and broader topic to me. so far we have been focused on “the woman not wanting the child” and “grooming environments for the child”, but it’s looking much more than that to me.

    However, i always say this. BIRTH CONTROL can also be cheap, condoms sell for as low as N50 and while not 100% effective, it helps.

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    1. S Post author
      LOOOL! i just want to say that i would never use a condom that cost N50, i’m not sure i advice that to the general public, it seems like something would go horribly wrong when it has to be used.
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      1. Joe
        I think gold circle flex is now 150 naira.
        and it’s so because it has been subsidized.
        even the Durex of this world still tear if not properly used.
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      2. Joe
        gold circle flex is now 150 and it’s so because it has been subsidized cos SFH want everyone to be able to afford it.
        moreover the Durex of this world can still tear if not properly used.
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      3. Ray
        Contrary to popular belief, that cheap Gold Circle and the free condoms given at family planning clinics are actually good. They are only cheap because they are subsidized by the WHO so as to encourage more people to use condoms.
        Virtually all condoms are liable to tear. The likelihood of a tear to occur depends on how it is used.
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  6. justi
    Lool your use of law terms though. I couldn’t get past “This is the only jurisdiction that has to be met before a woman can obtain a safe and legal abortion in Nigeria and I find it ridiculous.”

    Let me finish reading the post

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  7. Cavey
    “…you think sperm is something they can pick on the floor or fetch from a tap?…”
    This had me laughing and snorting!!!
    While I want to agree with Snow here, I concede to S that men don’t share the burden of childbirth physically but I don’t agree that the entirety of the burden lies on the woman. So maybe most men would bulk/bail when they hear “I missed my period” or ask stupid questions like “is it mine” or “are you sure?” like a woman isn’t sure when she’s hasn’t committed the monthly murder of an egg! But even if few men would want you to keep the baby, sensible ones would support the decision to abort and would be there emotionally (and hopefully, financially). Talking personally, if (and that’s a big if) I got a girl pregnant, I know it’s ultimately her decision to keep or get rid of the baby but I would like to know and support whatever decision she takes but like Olushola said, sex without birth control should be tantamount to treason and the man should be held responsible!
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    1. don flowers
      Really? The man? Just the man? The woman woman has no responsibility whatsoever when it comes to birth control?

      Seeing as it has been suggested that she has to make the decision whether or not to keep the baby and that she bears all of the responsibility of carrying the child and delivering same, cannot it nor be also said that the duty to protect should be solely hers, if not a shared duty?

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    1. uche
      Decriminalise ie make it a choice to abort or not. Let people make guided decisions. Do not force your opinion on them. No one is preaching right or wrong here.
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  8. Ruth
    An infant is someone from 0 to 6 months AFTER birth! Induced abortions are carried out within 0 to 6 weeks after conception. Or later weeks if a deformity is found in proper jurisdictions. At 0 and 6 weeks it’s a bunch of cells just like precancerous cells. Infact if ‘abortions’ which is the Nigerian nickname for induced abortion is illegal then the actual abortions like miscarriages, defaecating,etc, bodily function should also be illegal. I know how tedious it is compelling men ooo to be responsible with sexual protection. And then there is the society with slut shaming.
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  9. G B
    I agree, Decriminalize it!

    But, I think if anyone thinks the man has no role to play , they should go grow their own sperm in a lab. For what all that those bukkake and gokkun (if you don’t know what these mean, I envy you) clips show, sperm isn’t falling like rain everywhere.
    There may be nothing he can do, ultimately, but he should be listened to, dammit! Especially in one of those rare cases where the guy actually wants the kid.

    P.S. Yo, S, there may be a case for those ‘cheap’ condoms, like those Planned Parenthood gives away for free. I have three doctor friends who swear by them.

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    1. Olushola
      LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO.
      “For what all that those bukkake and gokkun (if you don’t know what these mean, I envy you) clips show”
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  10. K. Rukia
    S, I think I’m in love! This post is beyond perfect. (We should totally meet up for drinks offline. Do you live in Lagos?)

    Prostitution should also be decriminalised, while we’re at it. So many ridiculous laws and not enough of the right ones.

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    2. uche
      On this prostitution thing. I support you. Did a research (short and not really detailed) on this once and I found a strong correlation between criminalisation of prostitution and HIV/AIDS prevalence, forced sex work and many other things.
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        1. Uche
          @k-rukia one day, I hope I get across to getting something written. Maybe April or May. But remember the research wasn’t so detailed :)
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  11. DEJIDOPE
    Prevention is better than Cure

    If a woman knows she is not ready to be a mother, she should not be having ”unprotected” sex, its really that simple.

    Over the years, induced abortion has been a subject of debate, controversy and even government discussion and it will continue to be so long as woman are ‘forced’ to have children they do not want. I for one cannot and will never judge a woman because she decides she doesn’t want to have a baby, not wanting to carry a pregnancy to full term doesn’t make her a bad person as opposed to popular belief. If a woman decides she doesn’t want to have a child, in all honesty, it’s her decision – WOW S, Just WOW, she is been forced to keep the baby she created herself when she had sex? what is supposed to happen when you have unprotected sex? You are saying it like, she woke up one morning and she was pregnant, getting pregnant is not an accident.

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    1. K. Rukia
      Lol. Now I can see how cold and callous I sounded when I was a Christian telling people that abortion is never okay and if people have unwanted pregnancies they should deal with it, after all they knew what they were doing when they had sex, blah blah blah.

      Yes Deji, prevention is better than cure, which is why educated people use condoms. Abortions are not fun, and people don’t go looking to have one for a laugh. It’s a last resort decision.
      The problem is that people do have unprotected sex; not ideal but it does happen, like it or not.
      One major reason is that the quality and accessibility of sex education and contraception are ridiculously inadequate. So you have people having sex before they are ready, and without protection because they don’t know better. So they should be punished for ignorance?
      Another reason people have unprotected sex is that they made a mistake. In the heat of the moment they made a stupid decision; we all do stupid things. And then you want to condemn a child to being born to parents who never wanted him/her, simply because they made a mistake?
      And then you forget that another reason for unwanted pregnancies is rape. The victim should be punished for ‘having unprotected sex’?

      The thing is that it’s very easy to make these proclamations until you’re in that situation yourself.

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    2. MIA
      Are you trying to say every time one has unprotected sex its for baby making? Married people included…. They cant have it for pleasure. 95% of the time people have sex it is not for baby making abi is that the only reason to have sex?
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  12. Jessie
    Drug dealing is a life threatening business. Because it is illegal, drug dealers have to operate in secret. They have no protection from law enforcement agencies, and a lot of them get killed while doing their business. Whether the sale of harmful drugs is legalised or not, the use and sale of hard drugs will still exist. People will always find ways to get them. Is this reason good enough to legalise the sale of harmful drugs?

    The fact that people continue to commit a crime in secret is not a good enough reason to legalise it. Abortion is murder. The second the egg becomes fertilized, a child is created. It is a crime, and should be treated as such. Of course, life threatening cases are exceptions.

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    1. K. Rukia
      If abortion is murder, why are life threatening cases exceptions? Who gives you the right to decide that the life of the mother is of higher value than the life of the child?
      And how do you know when the cluster of cells that is the product of fertilisation becomes a human life? If it is a crime to destroy a cluster of cells, why is it not a crime to destroy tumours?

      Btw the argument to legalise abortion is not that it is a crime committed in secret. The argument is that it is not a crime to begin with, and criminalising it does more harm than good.

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      1. Od
        Because murder is not merely defined as killing. It is the killing of a victim that is no threat to your well-being.

        However, I have already explained why the law makes sense in my own comment on the post. You can read and counter it there.

        I’m curious though: if the zygote is not itself human what makes it human and where does that thing come into existence?

        Clearly, if you are killing a human being that is no threat to your well-being you are doing something evil and criminal so there is still a question whether it is a crime or not, Rukia.

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        1. K. Rukia
          You’re basing your statement about murder on the assumption that we both agree the foetus is a victim. I don’t believe abortion is murder (up to a point) because there is no victim, which is the point I was trying to make.

          I personally believe that the zygote becomes human when there is brain activity. I think this is the basis of legislation against abortions after 3 months.

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          1. Od
            K. Rukia, there was no assumption there. You asked why abortion was murder and I told you why and referred you to a more complete development of my arguments on the matter. Now you say that you don’t believe that the baby is not a victim. Your reason is that there is no brain activity.

            Now I ask you, “how does brain activity come into play at all?” Is it independent of the existence and function of that “cluster of cells”?

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        2. K. Rukia
          Really, Od. One day I’m just going to stop replying your comments, honestly. You exhaust me. I did. Not. Ask. Why. Abortion. Is. Murder. I asked that if abortion is murder, as Jessie asserted, why does she make an exception for life threatening cases? Read my comment again. Jeez.

          The brain is a specialised organ which allows us to think and feel. Without it, we are just tissue. Destroying tissue is not murder.

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          1. Od
            I’m sure that is your call, Rukia. Should the day come I’ll respect your choice. :)

            My mistake. I was distracted. You asked why life threatening cases were excepted if abortion was murder and I explained that they were because murder is the killing of a victim that doesn’t threaten you. In life-threatening pregnancies, the victim is, well, a threat, albeit an unwitting one. But that is not even the point. A motherless child brought into the world will only make sense when it is possible to cover the loss of the mom. So, preserving the life of the mother at the expense of the child is even a kindness to the child himself or herself.

            Perhaps I exhausted you too much. My question was: does the brain come into existence independent of the “cluster of cells” that you say isn’t human?

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          2. jessica
            I don’t have much to say to u rukia, but without knowledge of the development of an embryo to a foetus and a foetus to a baby,I think you should stop making assumptions about what truly makes an embryo a living thing.
            Do not ask me to explain what I mean because for you to speak on any issue,its assumed you have an extensive knowledge on the subject.
            On the issue of legalization, you might want to think about freewill seriously, because it can be the greatest tool to happiness, but still the greatest element of destruction.
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        3. K. Rukia
          If you can’t see the glaring contradiction between saying that:
          1. it is okay to abort a child if it threatens the life of the mother, because preserving the life of the mother at the expense of the child may be a kindness to the child himself or herself
          2. it is not okay to abort an unwanted child even when the mother decides that doing so is a kindness to the child
          …then I can’t help you.

          And no, the brain does not come into existence independent of the cluster of cells/zygote.

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          1. Od
            I agree that you can’t, Rukia. But I think I can help you a little bit more.

            #1 is a humane situation. In that situation, many mothers are apt to prefer to have the child at the cost of their own lives. The only problem is that a mother is critical to a newborn’s welfare so what will you do for the child unless someone can benevolently step into the shoes of the deceased mother? This is why it is often better to let the baby go. Without the mother, the child may not even survive either.

            #2 is a selfish situation. Aborting a baby because you don’t want to be his or her mother speaks about your own particular character. It says that you would rather take a life than take responsibility for one especially at cost to yourself. Your humanity is in question under such conditions. If you are capable of such a thing as killing your child because you don’t want him or her, you are on the way to worse. The law forces you to face your own humanity and thus preserves some hope that you will not entirely throw it away.

            Re: the brain and cluster of cells; If the brain comes into existence entirely though the activity of the cluster of cells, then the cluster of cells is human. Because the brain activity that you describe as the necessary definition of a human derives directly from the life processes of that cluster of cells.

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  13. DamiLoves
    My default position is not pro-abortion because life begins at conception, the unborn foetus has a beating heart and feels pain at different stages of his/her development. However, there are several life-threatening situations in which abortion may be considered, life is never black or white, it exists in many shades of grey. We need to have an open dialogue on this issue. The necessity of contraception should be emphasised, ‘no glove no love’; parenthood should be planned and not occur by accident.
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  14. Ray
    I am Pro-choice for a number of reasons. I used to be pro-life because of the way society views abortion till a close friend of mine got pregnant and I realized if I was in her shoes, I would not keep it either. Only last month, I had a severe pregnancy scare and I had already made my decision even before taking tests which thankfully, turned out to be negative. A lot of people don’t realize It’s never an easy decision for any woman to make. No one really takes joy in it.
    The government would actually be doing a great thing by legalizing abortion. The law is even a stupid one as it is never implemented. Even now, induced abortion is the most common gynaecological procedure done and it’s illegality only does ill by boosting the infamy of unsafe abortions. The fear of abortion doesn’t stop women from having sex, the fear of death doesn’t stop women from getting abortions, hence they go to the wrong people and end up coming to the hospital with septic complications and they never get arrested for having sought an illegal procedure. Too many women lose their lives to unsafe abortions thanks to our rule of law and stigmatization, thus making it one of the main causes of Maternal mortality in our country.
    We as citizens also have a lot of work to do in tackling stigmatization. I have a classmate who views girls who come to the hospital with complications of septic abortion as ‘bad, useless girls’ for getting pregnant before marriage. This is despite the fact that we are taught as doctors-in-training not to judge patients.
    While I don’t support the view that the man is only a sperm donor, I think a man should respect a woman’s decision about her pregnancy, whatever it is. It also helps to have a great partner and good friends who understand and will always grant their support.
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  15. Cavey
    I don’t know about you guys but I would love to be a fly on the table when S and Rukia meet for drinks! The quality of the conversations!!!!
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  16. Larz
    S- I agree with everything you said apart from women being able to have abortion without informing its father. I am a woman and I really dont think that is fair especially when you claim to be in a serious relationship with them. I personally would break up with someone who claims to love me / is serious about me but hold such a huge experience from me.

    They deserve to know even if they are unable to influence your decision and more importantly, if they are special to you, why are you shutting them out and preventing them from being there for you.

    I understand religious concerns on abortion but can we for a second just seperate religious concerns from state issues? The post is about whether abortion should be criminalised and not whether abortion is a sin. Nigeria is a country with many religious organisations. It is a nation of believers and non believers. If we start criminalising all sins that do not conform with Christianity/ any other particular religion. How different are we from those imposing Sharia laws on others

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    1. Od
      For Christians, it’s not about being better or worse than anybody else. It’s just about defending what is right. We use every opportunity to promote right-doing. As members of society and contributors to the legal code that binds every member of society and obligates us to certain behaviors, it is our duty to give our best ideas toward building a prosperous and secure society.

      As such, we encourage legislating pro-life in matters of abortion. We think that as soon as people begin to think so little of the most vulnerable members of society, society is doomed to become barbaric in behavior. If we can kill helpless babies in the womb to avoid responsibility for our actions or to escape pain that was inflicted on us by others, where will we stop? Are we not headed straight for the Dark Ages, only worse seeing as we have so much more knowledge and technology that will turn deadly in our hands?

      Christians should defend all that is right and good as Christ has taught them at every level and in every forum without regard for who else may or may not be doing the same. It is Christ’s world after all and he is the rightful ruler so the world should obey him.

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      1. Ray
        Lmao How many people in Nigeria have refrained from getting abortions because the law said so or for the fear of prison?
        Legislations should not even be made on religious bases.
        Telling people abortion is illegal doesn’t stop them from getting abortions. It only makes them go to quacks and have abortions the wrong way. If it is legalized, it won’t stop people from deciding to have babies but it will reduce the incidence of those who decide not to have babies going to quacks and getting it done the wrong way.
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        1. Od
          That is hardly important. Many people refrain from murder for the same reason.

          Legislations should not be made from an irreligious basis either. Or is there a reason they should be?

          Still, every time we legislate we do so from our own moral convictions and those moral convictions are advised by our religious or irreligious leanings so your argument is rather moot.

          Your argument about the merits and demerits of legalization of abortion apply to pretty much any other crime. Every time something is criminalized and people want to get away with it, they put themselves at risk somehow. They’re better off not committing the crime at all, aren’t they? It’s no argument at all that people will still have babies. We simply shouldn’t let people kill babies for any reason other than the health risk of a pregnancy. People will be more responsible that way or else they put their lives and freedom at risk. Nothing like a good deterrent to preserve good values, right? :)

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          1. Ray
            I will keep asking you the same question. How many people have become ‘more responsible’ because abortion is illegal? What have the benefits of the law been so far?
            We shouldn’t make laws based on religion or morals. We should make them based on logic. How do these laws help people? That’s the question we should ask.
            People refrain from murder because they don’t want to go to jail. People do not refrain from abortion because they don’t want to go to jail. Understand that. How many times have you seen this law implemented? Let’s just stop deceiving ourselves with all these so-called laws.
            You talk about making people more responsible so they don’t put their lives and freedom at risk. That is laughable. What part of women going to quacks to get abortions which often lead to infertility, hemorrhage, sepsis or sometimes, death because good hospitals are forbidden by the law to give them these services is less risky than the women seeking proper care in appropriate quarters?
            From your moral standpoint, it is not ok for people to have sex, it is not ok for them to abort fetuses and in your words ‘avoid responsibilities’ but I guess it is ok to watch and allow people keep having complications which sometimes, involve death because it serves as the appropriate punishment for their sins.
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          2. Od
            Laws are made to discourage certain acts and behaviors. They cannot guarantee that people will not pursue those acts anyway. The question to ask is not whether people are respecting the law but whether the law is beneficial, that is, protecting the quality of life of humans and preserving humanity, and being properly enforced.

            If women are going to quacks then the law should go after quacks and the state should provide alternatives that uphold the spirit of the laws.

            There is no sense whatsoever in annulling a law just because people don’t obey it. We might as well do away with laws entirely for all the obedience they get.

            As an example, in Nigeria, we have good traffic laws but people crash cars and kill themselves everyday because they won’t use pedestrian bridges or respect road signs and speed limits. They also die because the roads are very badly maintained and because the road networks are poorly developed offering very limited options to get anywhere in good time.

            The solution is not to abrogate traffic laws. It is to improve enforcement and develop infrastructure.

            The same way, when the state creates empowering systems for sustaining families and allowing transfer of child welfare among citizens in such a way as to ensure the welfare of the child and discourage irresponsible copulation, alternatives are provided for unplanned pregnancies. When law enforcement focuses attention on quacks and unapproved abortion methods, there will be less incentive for pregnant women to use them.

            As a matter of fact, I would even encourage harder legislation against quacks and the use of them to help secure the lives of pregnant women.

            As for religion, I already told you. Every legislation derives from one worldview or other, generally the most popular worldview, that is, religion or philosophy, or, in some cases, a compromise among disparate worldviews.

            So, when you say that laws should be based on logic not religion, what informs the idea that religion is not logical or that logic is divorced from religion? A religion is a philosophy, it’s a way of thinking about life. Its reliability and sensibility can be measured using logic. Thus, the ideas that emanate from it can be judged as to the sense they make. That means that in legislation, a contributor’s religion is not an impediment.

            But, more importantly, I repeat: there is no idea that does not have a worldview behind it. You, for instance, oppose the idea of allowing religious ideas become part of legislation but you fail to see that that means that only irreligious ideas would be allowed. Atheism and agnosticism are both worldviews and philosophies. As such, you are demanding that legislation should be left to atheists and agnostics. That makes no sense in light of what you are arguing for.

            As I have said elsewhere, don’t pass judgments on a philosophy, worldview or religion if you aren’t willing to interrogate and listen to it. You have misrepresented Christianity in claiming that we Christians prefer to have women suffer when we advocate anti-abortion legislation. That is very disingenuous and unacceptable in public discourse. In case you didn’t know, that is how anti-sect sentiments are whipped up leading to humanitarian crises.

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      2. don flowers
        Yo,

        It’s actually not Christ’s world, nor is Christ the ruler of this world.

        I’m a Christian, I love God and I believe Jesus is the only way. I think abortion is wrong, it is murder and should be discouraged.

        I however also think it is a moral issue and not a religious one. The fact that abortion is a crime does not stop it, legalising it will at least make it safe for those dates have made a choice to sin that sin and it is between them and God.

        For those of us who think abortion is wrong, legalising it is not necessarily a victory for people of the ‘world’ (of whom Rukia appears a chief advocate (sorry dear, just had to take a little poke cos I appreciate our fights)). We can and should continue to advocate right living and emphasise Christ as the way rather than trying to bully others into accepting our views by continuing to support the criminalisation of abortion.

        And by the way, if a lady gets pregnant for me and does not tell me before deciding to abort, I’ll break up with her. If she tells me and I tell her to keep it but she chooses to abort, there’s a good chance I’ll break up with her.

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        1. Od
          Hello don Flowers.

          Good to know you. I’m glad to be talking to another Christian.

          1. Matthew 28:18, Philippians 2:9-11 and Revelation 1:18 all unequivocally state that Jesus Christ has been made supreme ruler of every realm in existence. There is no dominion, power, kingdom, authority or government that exists anywhere on earth, in heaven or in hell that does not owe him total allegiance and obedience. He has been made King of all kings and he owns every corner of creation by dint of his sacrifice on the Cross of Calvary. That’s kind of what the world hates about Christians: we exist to always remind everyone of that fact.

          2. Any moral question is a religious one as well. There is no morality or lack thereof that cannot be traced back to some religion or philosophy. How we choose to treat ourselves and each other is dictated by what we believe about life and God.

          3. Laws exist to ensure the preservation of humanity especially in people who do not know better. As Christians, we should already know the right way to live so that we do not need to look to the law for guidance but not so with others. When people decide that they will kill young babies in their womb rather than take responsibility for their actions and for the poor child, they risk becoming monsters who will destroy weaker people because it appears more convenient for them. So that singular act of legislation that demands that they rise above their pettiness preserves the lives of more people in the society than you would imagine because it prevents the creation of such monsters.

          4. Finally, it is tragic for a Christian to advocate the repealing of laws that are good on the sole reason that people don’t obey it. We exist as custodians of order in this world. Disobedience is our enemy. We do not accommodate it just because it is rampant. We refuse to yield before it. Because once we do, this world is doomed.

          Grace be with you.

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          1. Don Flowers
            It was nice to see your response, had to go read the scriptures again before responding. I’ll answer the issues you have raised in the order you raised them.

            1. the passages you referred to above talk about all powers having been given to Jesus and his name being superior to all. But he is not necessarily ruling the world, he however has authority to interfere on our demand. This is seen from John 12:31, 16:11. The Devil is actually the ruler of the world, understand this leads to understanding why bad things happen et al.

            2. Moral questions are not necessarily religious questions especially when it relates to the law as we don’t all practice the same religion but the law must apply to us equally.

            A case in point is sharia law. Sharia has its own set of rules and morality and if your argument hold true, sharia would apply to all Christians and Muslims alike.

            Yes, moral issues raise very serious questions in relation to faith, but we must resist the urge to use the law as a tool to further a religious agenda. Law, morality and religion should never mix.

            3. Jehovah, Lord God Almighty gave us humans a choice to decide whether or not to serve him. He did not compel us to serve him but loves us irrespective. Is it not hypocritical to serve such a God and attempt to compel others to accept and live by a code which the code maker has not attempted to compel you to obey?

            Yes, abortion is a sin but like every other sin, each individual has to make his or her choice whether or not to commit such sin. Our job as Christians is encourage them to make the choice of choosing Christ and abstaining from such sin and not attempt to compel them and create resentment.

            It is not our job to save people, it is Christ’s. Our job is to keep preaching the gospel. Your claim about peeps who kill babies being capable of killing weaker members of society is unfounded and not capable of proof. Man is man, and the heart of man is despicably wicked.

            4. I think the bigger tragedy is seeing Christians trying to use the Bible as a tool to enforce their personal morality whilst trampling on scriptural principles.

            Wisdom is profitable to direct. People are sinning and dying. People will carry out abortions irrespective of the sanctions so the least society can do is ensure the procedure is safe whilst working harder to enlighten it’s members on making better choices.

            If serving God is a choice, following any one of his precepts is automatically a choice. If we begin compelling people then we are no better than jihadists.

            We are not wiser or smarter than God, we cannot do a better job than he.

            We made our choice, others deserve to make theirs too.

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          2. Od
            Hi Don,

            1. I think your response is curious, very curious indeed. He has been given all power but he isn’t actively ruling? He holds all that power only to interfere in our behalf when we ask? John 12:31 and 16:11? I commend you for going to the Bible to confirm for yourself but you have come up with a very curious response.

            I think the explanation is in your last statement on the issue. You seem to think that if Jesus were the active ruler, there would be no evil in the world today. The question then is why you would think so. Did the Bible say that or is it just a private wish or sentiment?

            “The LORD (I AM) said to my Lord, ‘sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool’.” “Then comes the end, when he will have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and all power. For he must reign, till he has put all his enemies under his feet.” (Matthew 22:44, Psalm 110:1, 1 Corinthians 15:24-25)

            Those two verses from John actually proved that Satan lost his place as ruler about the time Jesus was here in the flesh. As he told Pilate, he was born for a kingdom, to be king. When he went to the Cross, that was how he retook the kingdom from Satan. But that was not the end of the story.

            In Daniel, the stone cut out of a mountain without hands that crushed and ground the statue that represented the kingdoms of this world grew until it filled the earth. It was a parable about the Kingdom of Christ. He is supreme ruler but he still has rebels in his kingdom. And he does not subdue by force. He subdues by love, appeal, argument and, finally, expulsion. The evil that still exists in his realms is actually being forced out into the open. It has been secret a long time. Since he ascended he has been steadily forcing it into the light. In the light, it loses its power even though it does not seem so at first: at first, it appears to gain its greatest strength there.

            In time, he will force out Satan’s last and most desperate gambit and then he’ll show up personally to destroy that last gasp. When he has, the evil will be gone and the Kingdom will be handed over to the Father. It’s actually more involved than this. You can read Revelation to see what more happens.

            We don’t need to absolve Christ of any blame or responsibility for the evil in this world. He became King to destroy the evil here, to clean it out and he’s doing it. If we can’t see it, the problem is not with him, it’s with our eyes of understanding. I hope that helps you.

            2. You mistook my argument. There is no law that does not derive from one religious or philosophical viewpoint or other. It is impossible to legislate without appeal to worldviews and religions. Everything people want to make a law depends on what they believe about life and God.

            Laws are made in our National Assembly, for example. Before a bill becomes law, it is argued for and against. Every argument made for or against it will appeal to what ideals are enshrined in the philosophy that the proponents/sponsors and opponents of the bill truly subscribe to. Therefore, whether you think law should be separated from religion and morality or you don’t, the fact is simply that none of them can be separated from the others. What I define as moral or immoral is dependent on what I believe about life and God. What I advocate to be law or not depends on what I believe is right or wrong. What I believe is right or wrong is what I define as moral or immoral. That is the simple truth. Every argument that insists that religion be kept out of lawmaking is a ruse to turn the powers of legislation over to those who claim to have no religion but who do possess a philosophy too just like religion provides and it means that religious people will be forced to obey laws that may not account for their peculiar beliefs about life which would be grossly unfair, wouldn’t it?

            3. Why have any laws at all then? As a matter of fact, if your arguments are correct, Christians should not be involved in civic life at all. Helping to make and enforce laws to prevent murder, robbery, fraud, kidnapping, and obstruction of justice is compelling people to live by a code that “God does not compel us to live by”, isn’t it?

            Second, the Bible says that God commands all men everywhere to repent. If that isn’t compulsion, I really wonder what else is. I did tell you that everyone is obliged by divine law now to obey Christ and you haven’t managed to prove that wrong yet, so your arguments “as is” are quite false.

            Third, you cannot unilaterally tell me that my arguments are “unfounded and not capable of proof”. You lack the right to do so until you demonstrate that they are as you say. Feel free to do so. It will require you to show that the murder of babies in the womb does not have psychological effects that are capable of resulting in lowered sensitivity toward the concept of cruelty toward weaker people when it is more convenient to exercise such cruelty.

            4. Much of this I have already addressed in the foregoing. I’ve nothing to add to what I’ve said. I will only address the idea that disobedience to a law obliges society to repeal the law. I am not sure how it could be more clear that that is a ridiculous idea. If people are breaking the law and dying for it, that in itself should be a deterrent. If we must respond compassionately, then we must create safety nets that work with the law. I have already said this in other comments I’ve made on this thread.

            Better economic opportunities for women; a more humane system for providing homes for babies whose parent(s) are incapable of providing for; steeper consequences for anybody who practices illegal abortions. These are explorable solutions. Repealing the law because people are breaking it makes about as much sense as repealing the law against violent secret societies because so many young people join them and get killed anyway.

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  17. Nelo
    Is there a religion that supports abortion? you have a friend who ‘accidentally ‘got pregnant before marriage; makes you race for abortion. Try visiting any fertility clinic around you, then you will understand what some women go through just to have one baby.
    You wouldn’t be here commenting if you were aborted, would you?
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  18. Od
    I think that this article speaks to the particular experience of life today. We tend to pass blames and punish other people for our own errors.

    You kill a baby because you’re not ready to have one? Shouldn’t you just not have sex if you don’t want a baby? Why kill the baby for your own poor judgment or lack of self control?

    If the baby is the result of a rape or something just as demeaning, the logic still applies. It wasn’t the baby that raped you. It was some fool. Why kill the baby because of what some fool did? Because the baby will remind you of a traumatic experience? But isn’t that why we have therapy? To deal with our problems head-on rather than try to escape them? The baby can as easily, maybe even more easily be a big compensation for the trauma than it can be a reminder of it.

    In the case of danger to the mother, that one is legal and the law makes sense. If the loss of the mother could leave the baby uncared for or poorly cared for, it’s not good to risk her life to have him or her. Ultimately, the choice will be up to the mother because the baby’s welfare is her responsibility.

    Otherwise, again, what did the baby do to you that he or she should suffer for your poor decisions, lack of self-control or your painful experience? I think our perversion of sex is finally turning us into monsters…again.

    What a world.

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    1. Ray
      Lol this comment is twisted on so many levels. You obviously think people have abortions for the fun of it.
      ‘Punishing a baby’? What about the woman whose uterus is being scarred? What about the woman who has to bear the complications that might occur after the procedure? What about the psychological effect on both the man and the woman?
      ‘Why kill the baby because of what some fool did? Because the baby will remind you of a traumatic experience? But isn’t that why we have therapy? To deal with our problems head-on rather than try to escape them?’ this just comes across as insensitive.
      Btw, it’s not just ‘wayward’ people that engage in abortions, contrary to your belief. Some married couples do it too, sometimes because birth control fails. Would you advise them to also stay away from sex?
      Lol talking about monsters, I wonder who the monster is when spontaneous abortions happen. Who is to blame for that? Who is punishing the child then?
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      1. Od
        Oh, I actually thought the same of the post and your comments and many other comments here. In the end, it’s just a matter of preference, isn’t it? You don’t like my worldview so my argument is very likely to be twisted to you. Hardly worth mentioning. :)

        All the more reason not to do it, isn’t that so? If everybody ends up suffering, why do it?

        It might but then is it actually insensitive? The baby is half his or her mother so why exactly is it more sensitive to say, “sure it’s ok, you should kill part of you if you like because keeping it will remind you of a bad experience”?

        Of course some married people do. Just like some married people commit adultery and are irresponsible parents. Doesn’t make the things they do less reprehensible. There are better birth control measures. Abstinence at certain periods, condoms, pills, etc.

        People also grow old and die. Does there have to be a monster for that? Spontaneous abortions happen for any number of biological reasons. No need to look for a monster there because no one is making any choices about murdering the baby there.

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        1. Ray
          See Ehn, I don’t have a problem with your stance really. It’s yours. You have a right to it. I have a problem with the reasons for your stance.
          I don’t want to argue further. But understand one thing, it is insensitive and callous to tell a woman who has been raped to keep the child against her will. It is much worse to tell her ‘therapy will take care of you’.
          And abortion is not an escape route. It is a way of facing a problem at hand, which obviously in this case is the pregnancy, and deciding it is a better option than keeping it.
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          1. Od
            Potatoes tomatoes, same thing really, Ray. You don’t have a problem with my stance, just with the reasons for my stance. Ok. :D

            I can’t take your word for what’s insensitive and what’s callous, can I? It’s not like you have taken my word for the fact that it is inhumane to kill an unborn child because his father raped you.

            So you say. Again, I can’t take your word for it, can I? I have made arguments. You can use superior arguments and proofs to take them apart. Unfortunately, you have bowed out without doing so.

            It was interesting talking to you, Ray. Have a good weekend. :)

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  19. Snow
    ARE YOU PEOPLE SERIOUS??

    Abortion is never okay, even when the lady is raped because the baby is not to blame and she can seek therapy to overcome the trauma??
    Do you think rape is just a slap on the face? Or that Therapy is like an injection run? (let me even leave that first)
    The same Logic applies?
    So Abortion is only okay when the life of the mother is threatened? So it is “legal and makes sense?

    ARE YOU PEOPLE SERIOUS??

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  20. Seriously...
    Nice write-up S and kudos to many of the commentators, especially Rukia.

    Ironically, those of us saying that women should have babies they do not want are also the same people who: refuse to allow the unwed mothers-to-be continue her education or to work; insult and stigmatize women and the babies whose life we were fighting for. It is a fact that being an unwed mothers costs the mother and child negatively. Unless of course, you are Genevieve.

    I am a Christian and would personally not opt for abortion myself, but I refuse to judge another woman for making the choice not to continue with a pregnancy. Why? I have never been her shoes. I have never been raped, pregnant out of wedlock, had my life threatened by pregnancy or had a pregnancy that was not planned.

    Until we (Nigeria) can do a better job of preventing unwanted pregnancies (through better sex ed and access to contraception) and can ensure that we better support women who go on to have a child outside marriage, it is the height of hypocrisy to scream “murderer” at someone.

    After all, you are only guilty if you get caught.

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    1. Don Flowers
      You hit the nail spot on.

      Our clime does not protect women pregnant out of wedlock, it ignores the challenges they go through and stigmatizes them all through their life unless they are able to acquire economic power to shut the trap of all them haterz.

      I personally know two different young women who are broke and uneducated, each leaving with an equally broke and uneducated boy, with three and four children respectively who they cannot currently carter for. Both women are currently heavily pregnant with numbers four and five respectively.

      I can sit here and disparage their entire lineage for not using protection but what both really need is an abortion. Having those babies automatically reduces the life expectancy of the existing children and the parents.

      Rules were made for man and not man for rules

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  21. Tee boy
    I don’t think some people have any idea of what it means to carry a pregnancy that’s an offshoot of rape. It’s easy to point fingers and judge when you are not in a sticky situation.
    There are many factors to consider before deciding on whether or not one wants to keep a pregnancy which makes it complicated.
    As much as it is a risky procedure it is also at times risky not to have one either.
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  22. Cavey
    I would usually unlook comments that irk me but Od’s leave a very bad taste in my mouth.

    “…Of course some married people do. Just like some married people commit adultery and are irresponsible parents. Doesn’t make the things they do less reprehensible…”

    WTF???!!!
    I don’t think you have any right to call people who have abortions ‘irresponsible’. Would you rather them have a baby they aren’t ready for only to abandon it in a gutter somewhere and forever be haunted by guilt? Or be unable to meet the child’s needs and have everyone around label her irresponsible for having a baby she wasn’t ready for?

    “…There are better birth control measures. Abstinence at certain periods, condoms, pills, etc”

    You should have seen the look of disgust I got when I read this. Those spur-of-the-moment sex that would have you thinking “I pulled out right?” over and over again till you start calculating when she should see her period and you won’t sleep well till it comes!

    Do you honestly think people WANT to have to get abortions? You obviously haven’t gotten that “I missed my period” text from bae! And to tell those who got knocked up by a rapist to keep the child and go for therapy? Ha! I wonder if you’d say the same thing if it’s your younger sister/daughter!

    I’d shut up now before I say something I wouldn’t regret and leave you to Rukia and Ray…they’re doing a splendid job.

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    1. Od
      Did it occur to you, Cavey, that your comments among others might have left at least as foul a taste in my mouth as mine did in yours? I just didn’t see the point of saying so seeing as these discussions should have less to do with what I feel about your ideas and arguments and more to do with the truth and what makes us all better people and the world a better place. If we reacted according to how we feel all the time, I am sure we’ll hate the world we end up creating…which is sort of the problem we’re dealing with in this discussion right here.

      I also don’t think you have the right to dictate what rights are due to me and what rights are not. What do we do about that?

      No, I would rather not have them kill their baby and be forever hunted by the guilt they’ll feel. And I would rather she didn’t let people define her and do her best as a human being to provide for her baby. It is a fact that when people have a reason to they can beat terrible odds to accomplish incredible things. A mother’s love for her child is legendary when it comes to such things.

      Frankly, I don’t think I care to. It adds no value whatsoever to the debate. Some people are disgusted by the taste of raw fish, others think the world of it.

      Lol.I honestly think that people WANT to have abortions. That was what the post was all about, I assumed you noticed. They do want it. They want it bad enough to make very ridiculous arguments for repealing laws that help to preserve some humanity in us. As for getting the “I missed my period” text, do you think you’re the only one here who has had spur-of-the-moment sex? You’re some kind of a weird dude, lol. I had my share of scares, Cavey. Doesn’t change what’s true and what’s a lie. As for rapes and stuff, when you actually address my argument about it, I’ll bother myself about what you think.

      Ok. Here’s to hoping that you didn’t already. Right, I’ll reserve my judgments on that, lol.

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      1. S Post author
        my goodness!
        You are so wrong for this. your misogynistic mindset is a problem, one so big that you have intentionally refused to see what this post is about.
        WOMEN do not happily seek abortions! How did you derive that from this post. Abortions are not some fun activity that women take part in as your tone ‘people want to have abortions’ screams.

        ‘They want it bad enough to make very ridiculous arguments’ – This is SO WRONG.
        You speak about humanity but your comments are very inhumane.

        I don’t even know how to set you straight, it’s just so wrong.

        As you think women have abortions because they are fun, NEGRO YOU NEED TO CHECK YOURSELF!

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        1. Od
          This is so how not to argue, S. What do you expect to accomplish saying “this is so wrong” and pronouncing my mindset misogynistic? In a debate, you provide reasons for holding a point of view and you defend them. You don’t make pronouncements and get upset that people don’t swallow them. Isn’t that what irreligious people claim to hate religion for? And yet it’s what you’re doing right here.

          What is wrong with what I said?

          How have I demonstrated misogyny in that post?

          How did I misrepresent your post? Did you really not argue for the right of women to get abortions if they WANTED?

          If women do not seek abortions, what is your post about? Are there absolutely no other options, even if only marginally better, available to them? Did you explore any of them in your post and provide reasons for why abortion is superior to and more desirable than them?

          How are my comments inhumane?

          One reason for your inability to set me straight, as you put it, may be that your position is not well thought out. Have you considered that? The “it’s just so wrong” mantra does not qualify as a valid argument.

          This is the straw man fallacy. Could you point to anything I wrote here that can be read to mean that I think that women think that abortion is fun? That a person wants something does not mean that they consider it a pastime, S.

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  23. LordSleeK
    First off, TNC is God’s gift to me. Getting to learn from so many other perspectives without even meeting or knowing these people is a blessing. (Even though i dont comment much). And yes, i learn even from the most illogical reactions on here.

    People are entitled to their beliefs and opinions. After all, being peculiar to that individual is what makes it a belief or an opinion. We usually forget however, as individuals, to ask ourselves what the rationale or logic behind that initial inclination towards an issue is. We simply go with the flow as it drags us along.

    Long story short, i think a few people (consciously?) made the comments section less of what the post was actually talking about (the legalistic perspective of abortions in Nigeria) and more of something else (the morality of abortions). That’s fine. We are all entitled to our opinions and beliefs. Logic cant be everyone’s strong point. However, twill be helpful if individuals are capable of ‘succumbing’ to superior logical, objective arguments.

    That being said, imo, a lot of ludicrous points have been put forward in the arguments about morality of abortions. Only one thing to say: you never know till it hits close to home. The mum of my dad’s best man was an old-fashioned, old-school, firebrand mum who apart from being a ‘disciplinarian’ in her home always took it upon herself to scold and ‘preach’ to other people’s children. She carried herself around as a Mama Perfecta. You know when she calmed down? When her 17yo daughter carried a pregnancy to term and delivered a child in the toilet and she never knew for the duration of the 9 months. Even after the birth, na neighbour wey hear a baby’s cry (as per general toilet for back of house) come, out of curiosity, raise alarm. The woman never knew for a second. They were Catholics. The family was seen as a model one. The woman was dead ashamed.

    Point of my story is: we always leave the speck we have, chasing the logs in other people + we can never know until it hits home or at least close enough. Make we all continue dey hold our beliefs. Something, sometime, somewhere always finds a way to shine the light to us all.

    I am pro-choice, by the way. Even though i have never had to make a choice, i understand why some people have to make a choice.

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  24. Black_knight CFR
    This is an issue which brings to the fore the debate of law and morality. I’m of the opinion that it’s not at all times that morality should serve as the basis for the law bearing in mind that morality is dynamic and what was wrong then can be seen as right now and vice versa. Back to the issue at hand – whether or not abortion should be decriminalised. The nigerian legal position on abortion strongly interferes with the freedom of choice of a person. Moreover, the decision of a person to abort *her* pregnancy is hers to make and in no way does her decision affect the society largely either positively or negatively, and the law should be concerned majorly with acts that hurt the society as a whole (and I don’t see abortion as hurting the society). The government should rather focus on creating better awareness on abstinence and other birth control methods than criminalising abortion. Succinctly put, the law on abortion is antiquated… On a lighter mode, if abortion is allowed to be criminalised then giving and receiving fellatio or masturbation should be criminalised.
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  25. Ace
    I am a Christian. And yes, it does influence my point of view.
    But, that would not in any way let me lose sight of right and wrong.
    It’s strange seeing the way we offhandedly demand the right to kill.
    When is killing right? And when is murder justified?
    If I, while speeding and having fun with my friend along a highway happen to see a small child crossing the road, and because of my speed, realise that braking might put me or my friend (who for some reason is not wearing seat belt) in danger, do I still go ahead and hit the child? Is it right to call it a necessary evil? If you were the child’s mother, how would you feel? Would you not curse, and seek all available means to bring the perpetrators to justice?….
    See it as you will, it’s not logical to make a child suffer for the parents actions.
    This abortion debate has been long raging, but it simply is requesting for the right to do what a person feels is right. That’s what it boils down to. Hitler’s pogroms chose to terminate lives that were not ideal. Of the right race. We are asking for the right to terminate lives for reasons of our own choosing. Just by the way, if abortion is ever legalised, they should simply legalise killing of all and sundry.
    My take: a person can do what he feels is right, as long as he does not infringe on the rights of others.
    Also, as long as he accepts responsibility for his/her actions.
    The issue is not the presence or absence of the law, the issue is the depraivity of our humanity! We are slowly getting back, as Od rightly put it, to the dark ages.
    And yes, there is a solution. Amidst the discussion on therapy, alternative strategies, etc… Jesus is the answer. For he helps us see our state, and lifts up above it to live a life that is right, in his sight. By His substitutive death on Calvary, he paid the price for all our sin’s. Yours and mine. And by His resurrection, he assures us of a victorious life. And only asks that we accept his sacrifice, turn from those sins and walk in His life.
    This, is my submission on the matter.
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  26. Seyi
    I believe if you can’t handle the hurt on your tongue from a hot stew, you have no business trying to taste it. In other words, if you can’t handle the consequences that are attached to having sex, you have no business engaging in it. Shikena Yoowa. For me abortion = MURDER.
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  27. Orochi
    Unbelievable!

    Religion and the hell it is on earth..

    Anyway, first of all, keep your religious slants to yourself. A government’s job is to protect and provide for her citizens, and create an environment where the people can thrive.

    Unprotected sex hurts no one, nor the country.

    On the other hand, children who are not wanted or loved have a greater tendency to become a nuisance.
    Same goes for:
    -Children whose parents cannot afford to take proper care of them
    -Women whose lives are ruined cos of what carrying an unwanted pregnancy to term does to them based on whatever position they find themselves in life
    -Men whose lives are ruined cos of the above
    -Men and women who get married to people they do not want cos they have a baby and their relatives insist they have to get married
    -Children who lose a parent cos the mother died in childbirth

    It is unfortunate that though you recognize a country’s duty to the mother when her health is at risk during pregnancy, you cannot reconcile that with the option to not carry a pregnancy to term if it would end up being a problem for the woman and the other citizens.

    People have to drop out of schools or lose scholarships, sometimes they have to give up on their dreams in life, basically forgetting who they were and wanted to be just so they can accommodate the new life.

    Think of the many poor among us. Most of Nigeria is poor. They have a lot of sex, whether married or not. And they keep have these babies cos they can’t afford any form of abortion. These guys have no money, plus a country that does so little for us, and you stand behind your bible and proclaim that married couples should keep children they cannot take care of cos they had unprotected sex.
    Have you seen these women begging on the streets before? They are holding a couple of kids, and they are pregnant with a third. They will keep having sex and birthing these kids. They don’t know better. Their life is a lot of pain, sex is a very welcome escape.

    Then most of these kids grow up with no one paying any attention, the majority become only a nuisance if you are lucky. If not, they engage in robbery or other criminal activities.

    Have you ever lost someone to robbery before?
    If you have, how would you still feel about your position if you learned the robbers were born because abortion is largely frowned upon in the country and the parents could not afford illegal abortions? So they were mostly neglected or worse, made to go through hell growing up.

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  28. Dammie
    Chai this abortion thing is hard. To me unless you have been raped or your life is at risk, considering abortion is just being selfish. Which one is it’s your body, you can do what you want. This pro-choice crap really wears me out. It’s not just your body, it’s a life. If you are not ready for pregnancy take better precautions for crying out loud. There so many preventive methods that you honestly have to be terribly and annoyingly irresponsible to find yourself with an unwanted pregnancy. Don’t be irresponsible with your body in the first place, then come and start saying it’s my body I can do what I want. It’s also a life involved, an innocent one that doesn’t deserve to be killed on a whim. Ladies, you know you are the one that will suffer the consequence of careless sex in a relationship, you therefore have to be the mature one most times in the sexual aspect of the relationship. Insist on a condom because most times the man is too much in the mood to remember or even care to use one. If you and your partner are not into condoms, then that other birth control method should better be air tight. But yea I agree with ‘S’ a little, legalised abortions should include abortions for women who have been raped, not just women whose lives are at risk. I mean being raped is bad enough, they had no choice in that, the government should at least give them a chance to choose whether or not to have the child.
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